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Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW
I've seen how many comments and stamps saying the exact same thing? Too many, that's how many. We get it, you don't want to hear it. I respect that.

Oftentimes, people who say that they don't like religion being "shoved down their throat" don't seem to realize that just mentioning it or even trying to convert them does NOT constitute "shoving" by any means. I'm sorry, I didn't know there was a law that said you had to convert! I'm so, so very sorry! I didn't know you were stoned or horse-whipped if you didn't convert! My sincerest apologies! Seriously, though, if religion or something with it offends you, either press that little x on the top of your screen, or DON'T LOOK. If you don't want to be converted, just say, "Thank you, but I've made my decision" and be done with it! Not that hard. If they're a real Christian, they'll respect your decision.

That's all. Sorry the stamp is so terrible-looking. I don't exactly have good software.
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Impious-Imp Featured By Owner 1 day ago
Let's consider it from another point of view...

You are a teacher.  You teach science.  You want to teach what you believe about the origins of mankind.

You can't because it is illegal.

It's illegal because of the establishment clause int he constitution which says that the government shall make no law establishing a religion, which means if you want to teach your religion, than you need to teach the other religions.  All of the religions, or at least all the major religions.

By promoting one religion over all others means you are literally spoon feeding other people's kids religions, and maybe even a version of christianity, that other people may not want their kids to be taught.

The consequence of religious freedom is that you also have to give people freedom from religion.

When you try to convert someone, and they say "No thanks." then you stop.  Go any farther and you are proverbially shoving it down their throat.

And that's why people complain.  Considering how prevalent it is in this country, we should be complaining louder.
Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 23 hours ago
I disagree.  I don't see the prevalence in our nation at all.  I've seen religion spat on, mocked, and ignored by the vast majority of this country- it doesn't take more than turning on the television to see how pervasive the anti-Christian attitude is in the United States.  People really complain because they're offended by anything that doesn't fit in their little bubble that they got to roll around in all their lives.  In my lifetime I have not seen religion forced on anyone in a major way by legislature in the United States.

You're right in saying that it would violate the establishment clause for a public school to teach one particular religion in that matter.  I already know you're referring to the whole creationism vs evolution point of view in science classes.  Frankly, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure how that can be solved.  I cannot, in good conscience, say that creationism should be taught because my view of it may very well differ from that of the teacher's.  That being said, I cannot say that evolution should be taught because, well, I don't believe evolution as an explanation for the origins of life is valid.  It's one debate I don't claim to take a strong stance on.  I'll take the "freedom" third option here, just letting people choose what they want to be taught.  You can't get much more free than that.

As a side note, yes, if someone refuses what you're offering, you move on.  That's Biblical in nature and it's a shame when people don't adhere to that.
Impious-Imp Featured By Owner 21 hours ago
I used the science class room as an example, and if you don't see it, it's because you're not paying attention.  I find it amusing you say that people are living in bubbles, but are you not also?  The reality of the situation is that people are abusing their rights.

And in general?  If something is forbidden to be mocked, off the table, than you really shouldn't be taking it that seriously.   Everything is on the table to be mocked and critisized, and even you have to admit that religion has it's flaws and problems.   Or at the very least, the people practicing the religion have problems and flaws.

In this country, you have freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  You don't have the freedom to not be insulted or critisized.

But you do have the freedom to ignore it.  Do yourself a favor and turn the other cheek.  It's not that big of deal.  Religion has undue respect in this country and if maybe there wasn't a church on every corner, nobody would have a problem with it.

And yea, it is a shame when people don't respect other people's boundaries.  I guess it wasn't that big of deal when God ordered Moses and his soldiers to go pillage their neighbors though....
RainbowNightFury Featured By Owner 5 days ago  New member
Don't tell me what to do. I'll whine about whatever I want! I have a good reason to whine. Maybe I don't LIKE having religion shoved down my throat.
NerdleBooyimi Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Love how people whine over religion being shoved down their throats, and yet here they are shoving their beliefs down people's throats and calling people moronic and brainwashed if they don't think the same of them. They're busy burying their heads in the sand to not realize that they're being just as stupid as they are. c:
mrm64 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
NerdleBooyimi Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thank you! :D
PeterJQuill Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
HahaHA sorry but I know people who had it shoved down their throat. I know people who were forced to go to church as kids and then told they were terrible monsters for leaving. I know people who were insulted and told they were going to Hell for having different opinions and beliefs. I know people who USED to be Christian and ended up absolutely HATING Christianity because they have had so, so many people tell them that they're wrong and disgusting and horrid for their beliefs, or that OTHERS are wrong and disgusting and horrid for their beliefs.

Don't act like there aren't Christians who are awful and will literally attempt to force religion on people. Because there are and they will.
Insanity123 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
If I lived in the United States I wouldn't be able to join the boy scouts, wouldn't be able to run for any electoral position in several states and would have to say God bless America every morning at school otherwise be taken aside and risk being ostracised by my classmates

I'll stop complaining about people shoving their beliefs down others throats in the US, when the US starts acing less like a theocracy. The US is an embarrassment to the rest of the western world.
Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014
No offense, but you don't even live in the US- it shows because I assume you're referring to the pledge of allegiance when you say "would have to say God bless America every morning at school"- however, those words are not only not found in the pledge of allegiance, the only reference to a deity in the pledge of allegiance are the words "under God"- furthermore, the pledge of allegiance was not a requirement to say even when I was a little one.  And yes, you would be able to run for any position anywhere regardless of your religion; people might not vote for you, but unless you'd like to cease elections in the name of "fairness", I highly doubt that kind of thing can be controlled. 

An embarrassment to the rest of the western world?  It's the only reason the western world exists. 
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