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Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW
I've seen how many comments and stamps saying the exact same thing? Too many, that's how many. We get it, you don't want to hear it. I respect that.

Oftentimes, people who say that they don't like religion being "shoved down their throat" don't seem to realize that just mentioning it or even trying to convert them does NOT constitute "shoving" by any means. I'm sorry, I didn't know there was a law that said you had to convert! I'm so, so very sorry! I didn't know you were stoned or horse-whipped if you didn't convert! My sincerest apologies! Seriously, though, if religion or something with it offends you, either press that little x on the top of your screen, or DON'T LOOK. If you don't want to be converted, just say, "Thank you, but I've made my decision" and be done with it! Not that hard. If they're a real Christian, they'll respect your decision.

That's all. Sorry the stamp is so terrible-looking. I don't exactly have good software.
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
If I lived in the United States I wouldn't be able to join the boy scouts, wouldn't be able to run for any electoral position in several states and would have to say God bless America every morning at school otherwise be taken aside and risk being ostracised by my classmates

I'll stop complaining about people shoving their beliefs down others throats in the US, when the US starts acing less like a theocracy. The US is an embarrassment to the rest of the western world.
Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 4 days ago
No offense, but you don't even live in the US- it shows because I assume you're referring to the pledge of allegiance when you say "would have to say God bless America every morning at school"- however, those words are not only not found in the pledge of allegiance, the only reference to a deity in the pledge of allegiance are the words "under God"- furthermore, the pledge of allegiance was not a requirement to say even when I was a little one.  And yes, you would be able to run for any position anywhere regardless of your religion; people might not vote for you, but unless you'd like to cease elections in the name of "fairness", I highly doubt that kind of thing can be controlled. 

An embarrassment to the rest of the western world?  It's the only reason the western world exists. 
Insanity123 Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I might not live in the US now but I lived their once, no offense but the people there, from what I saw, were uneducated and ran their mouths of about things they didn't even begin to grasp.

"And yes, you would be able to run for any position anywhere regardless of your religion; people might not vote for you, but unless you'd like to cease elections in the name of "fairness", I highly doubt that kind of thing can be controlled. " - Do you understand your own country? There are several states that have articles in their state constitutions that ban non-believes for running for office; these being Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas (so much for your freedom, huh?)

"It's the only reason the western world exists." - Excuse me, but America isn't the daddy of the western world, Europe would be free (actual free, not 'we-think-we-are-free-even-though-atheists-cant-run-for-office-in-seven-states' free) and progressive without the USA's existence.
bcollins39302 Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Lmao sorry about this tangent. I do agree with you on religions shoving their opinions down our throats. I don't even believe it has to be forced to be "shoved down" I hear religious people here whining when people say the are homosexual saying they are "shoving their homosexuality down" their throats even though they are just having to hear about it.

I dunno about freedom in Europe though. If the US had never broken off the UK would still probably be the most powerful country in history and today would have all of the resources of the US, and probably much of the rest of the world would be under its dominion.

There would probably be "democracy" in the UK at least, but not in any of its colonies. I'd imagine the democracy in the UK would be very elitist like it was in the 19th century where only the upper landowning 10% of the population could vote, because democracy didn't spread to everyone until the country hit economic hardships and people rioted which never would have existed without the US seceding. Universal Suffrage did not come to the UK until 1928 in our timeline.

I'd imagine that the royalty of France would have never been toppled because they wouldn't have gone into debt helping the US in the revolutionary war without the US winning. So there would be no democracy in France. The Church would control 1/3, the landowners 1/3, and the nobility 1/3. The French revolution would have failed (it did fail but I mean even failed to take over the government in the first place). Napoleon would have never taken over creating the giant messy country of Germany so there would be a bunch of little monarchies there today. Odds are the East India company would have kept growing and gathering more power forever without competition from America and in fact being able to use America's resources. It might still even have its military force.

Spain would still control the Philippines, Cuba, Florida, and lots of other places. 

If Fascism and Nationalism ever spread to mainland Europe like it did in our timeline hopefully, this monstrous gargantuan UK would have the power to tackle it and its resources and armies wouldn't be scattered all across the globe. If not then probably the fascists would have stalemated with England in the only world war and taken over the mainland of Europe (there wouldn't be two world wars because the first couldn't have happened without Kaiser Wilhelm ruling over a big clunky Post-Napoleonic Germany). In that eventuality much of mainland Europe would become some sort of fascist hell. 
bobbysaypie Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
I'll stop complaining when religion stops ruling over people lives and I can get married.
Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
Then please do me a favor and tell people to quit pulling this:…

Or, ya know, this…

Or even this…

I'm not gonna play the "who is more oppressed" game with you.  However, I think we'd all be more keen on supporting the cause if we got some support in turn.  Rights are not a gift from government- rights are endowed by God to people, and we the people, through a cooperative effort, must defend our rights from those who would take them from us. 
bobbysaypie Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
Sorry if the comment seemed a bit angry, I just get tired of not getting the same rights you know?

That being said, we should'nt take the rights away from Christians either (Coming from an Atheist here) so if they dont want to host a SSM than the couple just has to find another. People should not take away rights to add to others for sure.

Sorry once again for sounding hostile, Im just having a rough day. I meant no ill will towards you or Christians, Im just someone speaking what I believe, as you are.
Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
I didn't take it as very hostile.  You have not seen some comments I've gotten- those would redefine the word hostile. XD  That said, the thing I'd rather hear out of the gay rights movement isn't "stop shoving your beliefs down my throat", it's "what can we do to assure we both come out of this on top?"  I think there's a clear answer to that personally- the assurance, by law if necessary, that nothing I've shown you there with those links would ever happen.  In return, the ability to have a state-sponsored union in some way would be bestowed state by state.  Some people might say that it isn't enough, and others would also say that it was too much.

Sadly, however, I have few hopes for such an agreement, but that's all the more reason to never compromise what you believe in; there's a fine line between that and compromising what you believe in.
LookAtMyLittlePoneh Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Eh, I don't mind indoctrinating as long as people are trying to politely teach me about religion/religious ways (I'm not completely set on not thinking about it either, I like to study religions which are interesting to me such as Buddhism and Taoism), or invite me along to I dunno, church events and such, but not when they get all whiny or even quite mean and are like "you will go to hell if you don't" "you need to be saved" "dirty sinner" or something along those lines (I've had someone tell me explicitly that I should go to hell when I tried to politely explain my non-religiousness, and they were REALLY angry at me, yeah, not my best day). If it crosses over into mean territory then I'm sorry but I'm not a doormat and I'm not going to take people blatantly raging at me for the sake of religious freedom. I have rights to not be discriminated against too. After all I would never in my right mind do the same. I'm not an angry Atheist and I take pride in that. I would understand if you get irritated at the same "don't shove it in my face" over and over again but my theory is that the angriest Atheists are the most recent ones, the ones who got scorned by becoming non-religious all of a sudden or are being rejected by their former religious groups or too overwhelmed by their change in belief. Then they get out in the real world, do some living and hopefully they soften up a little or sadly a portion of Atheists become worse then they were in the beginning, insulting anyone/anything that's even slightly a religious reference and that my friends, is how Anti-Theists are born! I am a dummy! 

I know you take pride in being politically incorrect and you're gonna groan at this when I say it but it's true: not all Atheists are alike the ones in your description. 
pokemonsonic345 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014  Student General Artist
I wonder how people with that attitude would have gotten along in Medieval Europe.
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