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Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW
I've seen how many comments and stamps saying the exact same thing? Too many, that's how many. We get it, you don't want to hear it. I respect that.

Oftentimes, people who say that they don't like religion being "shoved down their throat" don't seem to realize that just mentioning it or even trying to convert them does NOT constitute "shoving" by any means. I'm sorry, I didn't know there was a law that said you had to convert! I'm so, so very sorry! I didn't know you were stoned or horse-whipped if you didn't convert! My sincerest apologies! Seriously, though, if religion or something with it offends you, either press that little x on the top of your screen, or DON'T LOOK. If you don't want to be converted, just say, "Thank you, but I've made my decision" and be done with it! Not that hard. If they're a real Christian, they'll respect your decision.

That's all. Sorry the stamp is so terrible-looking. I don't exactly have good software.
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MistaGruntz Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2015
The greatest irony of the situation is their hypocrisy. After all, how many youtube comments and militant people come milling around proclaiming "I hate these goddamn Christians shoving their religion down my throat"? Yet angrily decry about it, look for all manners to 'debunk,' say the same things over and over again, and look for all manners to silence the opposition (legislation, intimidation, etc.)

And the best part is when they behave impossibly stubborn and close minded. Sounds familiar yes? The idea shoving their religion (Atheism) down the throats of people who follow a different religion and expecting unilateral support for their actions because what they believe in is THE truth and anyone who doesn't should go die in a fire. As extreme as that's made out to be, that's what someone would call being a fundamentalist. The greatest hypocritical irony out there...

Sure, not all act like that but the problem is that these zealots are incredibly loud.

Either way, good stamp!
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fey-fae-whatever Featured By Owner 4 days ago
It's nice to see someone's noticed that! My language arts teacher pretty much hates Christianity, and is always talking about negative experiences he's had at church. He's usually pretty sweet, but when it comes to religion, I'm not even sure if I'm willing to listen. I try to be polite (and I haven't said anything to him about it), but it's hard...
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
Youtube comments are.... well, nothing good comes out of them.  Atheists going around trolling on them is the daily norm, and frankly I wouldn't even take them and their self-righteous, fallacy-ridden "evidence" with a grain of salt.  I agree with your latter point as well- some atheists are more than content to shove their beliefs down the throats of anyone else and tend to be more fundamentalist and radical than the fundamentalists they decry.  Not to say there aren't "Christians" that are similar, of course, as not every human is a saint, but it tends to be the loudest, not the brightest or the most correct, that get the most attention.
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styIo Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
FUCKING LAUGHS
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
I know, right?
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styIo Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no. i  laughed because. we do get religion stuffed down our throats.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
I very much disagree.  I am of the opinion that people just should not be forced to do that which they don't want to, and that goes either way.  I don't want my religion legislated (and knowing our government, they'd probably botch it anyways) nor do I want any other belief system imposed on me.  As long as that is adhered to, I think we're in a good place.  A cross in public or the "keep Christ in Christmas" billboard is not stuffing religion down anyone's throats. :3
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styIo Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
parents shove religion down your throat
if you fucking address that youre an atheist or something people will fucking tell you youre going to hell and try to make you believe in whatever they believe in
also christ was always in christmas if you havent noticed, thats why people made christmas??
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Hooded-Pigeon Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Xmas" is a common phrase among those who don't know the true meaning behind Christmas. I'm just trying to inform you here.
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styIo Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i dont believe in god, plus christmas once wasnt a thing, it was originally a pagan holiday.
i'd rather use x-mas because not everyone believes in god/arent the same religion. 
very informative, thank u
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Hooded-Pigeon Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't care if you believe or not. It's better to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "X-Mas". One because Muslims also celebrate "Ramadan" and would be offensive to them if you said "Merry X-mas". I personally don't give a shit about their celebrations and will wish people a Merry Christmas because it's what it's meant for, but since you're such a firm stander in the unbelieving, this is he path you should take.
It doesn't matter if it was a pagan holiday. It's now Christmas, not "Saturnalia". The birth of Jesus, a completely real once living human being, is a thing for us Christians to celebrate nowadays.
I wish you'd open your meek little eyes and not be so shut off and blunt about things.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014  Professional Photographer
Christiantity has a nasty habit of forcing people to go along with it through legislation actually, yeah.

- In my state, it's illegal for gay couples to be married or to enjoy the immense legal rights and tax breaks that come along with that because people of your faith lobby to keep them apart 
- People of your religion made me start every day of school by standing and pledging allegiance in recognition of your fake god.   When I refused, I was suspended. 
- And now, it's routed millions of my tax dollars to an "ark" bible amusement park in my state that exists to convert more people to Christianity.

So yeah, you guys have a piss-poor record of "respecting my decision" and a really great record of shoving your bullshit hate down my throat. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Edited Dec 6, 2014
I don't see any hate around here.  What I see is plenty of oppression all around and it's really just a mess.  First of all, you refused to say the pledge of allegiance simply because it says the words "under God" (similar words can be found upon the dollar on your pocket) and were suspended.  Fair enough, I can see how that can be a delicate issue either way.  Of course, I wouldn't generalize that as being people of "my religion" since the pledge of allegiance is said by Americans of every ethnicity and faith, and the schools are run by people of multiple faiths, I'm sure.
As for marriage, I'm reminded of numerous situations where gay couples sued Christian businesses for refusing to serve their events.  I'd argue that's a decent level of oppression.  As I said, I think there are a lot of people who care too much about issues that are irrelevant.  To say that Christians have a "piss poor record" of respecting people's decisions is pretty unfair.  Gay marriage itself is a very strange issue and is a lot more than what people on both sides like to make it.  I like to think I fall dead center on it, but that's a topic entirely.
As for the ark, according to some research done, it is hardly supported by tax dollars, which would be a violation of the constitution. In fact, it's donation supported and it had recently run out of money. 
In general, I'm not seeing all of this shoving hate down your throat.  In America you're pretty free to do whatever you like.  Might you get ridiculed for it?  Sure.  It's not right, but it's a thing and you can't legislate human behavior, at least not at that level. 
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2014  Professional Photographer
So you think that if a landlord or employers fires or evicts someone just because they're gay, that's fine, but if the landlord or employer is prevented from doing so, *they're* the ones being oppressed?  Am I understanding you correctly?  And you can only sue if it's illegal in the first place and Christians have had plenty of luck creating laws that make it perfectly legal to do these things.

The Ark has received $43 million in tax rebates from the state, $62 million from a government bond offering and has raised $14 million in private donations.  Yeah, that's effectively money out of my pocket.  I do not consent to giving money to your religion, but your religion is pretty good at taking it anyway. 

You can practice any religion you want and I'd defend your right to do so, but if you create a society where gay people don't get legal protections of marriage and can be fired or refused service just because they're gay, students are forced to recognize your god or get expelled, and you use tax dollars to convert people to Christianity, don't pretend for a second that you're the ones being opressed.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
What are you talking about??? More woolen hate Christians more than any other religious group .
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
More, what?

And at any rate, I think my post was clear.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
So now your trying to insult my friends like 345rv5 who do you think you are? And plz stop insulting gamer gate supporters and Christians like me and I'll be on my way. :D
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
Oh, I see.  Your one of those people he asks to harass me.

But no, my concern with Christianity legislating it's beliefs as been clearly articulated, but I've not insulted either you or Christians.

And the Gamergate people are threatening women with rape and murder who support bringing more women into the gaming industry, so... Yeah, I don't support them and I wish they wouldn't do those things.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergat…
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
"Oh, I see.  Your one of those people he asks to harass me." no, thats such crap..
WTF, I want to se more Women Embrass Gaming and so do many gamergate supporters, thats Feminazi Crap.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
I don't think I understand what you're trying to communicate with me.

Though I have a vague idea you don't like me.
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Impious-Imp Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014
Let's consider it from another point of view...

You are a teacher.  You teach science.  You want to teach what you believe about the origins of mankind.

You can't because it is illegal.

It's illegal because of the establishment clause int he constitution which says that the government shall make no law establishing a religion, which means if you want to teach your religion, than you need to teach the other religions.  All of the religions, or at least all the major religions.

By promoting one religion over all others means you are literally spoon feeding other people's kids religions, and maybe even a version of christianity, that other people may not want their kids to be taught.

The consequence of religious freedom is that you also have to give people freedom from religion.

When you try to convert someone, and they say "No thanks." then you stop.  Go any farther and you are proverbially shoving it down their throat.

And that's why people complain.  Considering how prevalent it is in this country, we should be complaining louder.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014  Professional Photographer
Thank you soooo much for posting this Impious-Imp
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Impious-Imp Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014
Not sure if that's sarcastic.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014
I disagree.  I don't see the prevalence in our nation at all.  I've seen religion spat on, mocked, and ignored by the vast majority of this country- it doesn't take more than turning on the television to see how pervasive the anti-Christian attitude is in the United States.  People really complain because they're offended by anything that doesn't fit in their little bubble that they got to roll around in all their lives.  In my lifetime I have not seen religion forced on anyone in a major way by legislature in the United States.

You're right in saying that it would violate the establishment clause for a public school to teach one particular religion in that matter.  I already know you're referring to the whole creationism vs evolution point of view in science classes.  Frankly, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure how that can be solved.  I cannot, in good conscience, say that creationism should be taught because my view of it may very well differ from that of the teacher's.  That being said, I cannot say that evolution should be taught because, well, I don't believe evolution as an explanation for the origins of life is valid.  It's one debate I don't claim to take a strong stance on.  I'll take the "freedom" third option here, just letting people choose what they want to be taught.  You can't get much more free than that.

As a side note, yes, if someone refuses what you're offering, you move on.  That's Biblical in nature and it's a shame when people don't adhere to that.
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Impious-Imp Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014
I used the science class room as an example, and if you don't see it, it's because you're not paying attention.  I find it amusing you say that people are living in bubbles, but are you not also?  The reality of the situation is that people are abusing their rights.

And in general?  If something is forbidden to be mocked, off the table, than you really shouldn't be taking it that seriously.   Everything is on the table to be mocked and critisized, and even you have to admit that religion has it's flaws and problems.   Or at the very least, the people practicing the religion have problems and flaws.

In this country, you have freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  You don't have the freedom to not be insulted or critisized.

But you do have the freedom to ignore it.  Do yourself a favor and turn the other cheek.  It's not that big of deal.  Religion has undue respect in this country and if maybe there wasn't a church on every corner, nobody would have a problem with it.

And yea, it is a shame when people don't respect other people's boundaries.  I guess it wasn't that big of deal when God ordered Moses and his soldiers to go pillage their neighbors though....
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RainbowNightFury Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014
Don't tell me what to do. I'll whine about whatever I want! I have a good reason to whine. Maybe I don't LIKE having religion shoved down my throat.
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darknessthehedgehog3 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
true or how about that if you don't follow/convert to my ways your going to burn forever statement that you tend to hear all the time hate that
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RainbowNightFury Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014
I hate that, it annoys me that people want me to believe what they do. Everyone has different opinions.
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darknessthehedgehog3 Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
yep I was also born into the catholic faith and it also annoys me when christens says I'm going to hell
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NerdleBooyimi Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Love how people whine over religion being shoved down their throats, and yet here they are shoving their beliefs down people's throats and calling people moronic and brainwashed if they don't think the same of them. They're busy burying their heads in the sand to not realize that they're being just as stupid as they are. c:
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Sonicgirl1552000 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014
How true. Some atheists constantly preach about how religious people should stfu and then they say that anyone who believes in god is an idiot, is brainwashed etc. Hypocrite much?
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NerdleBooyimi Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Yeah, exactly. I absolutely hate people like that.
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Sonicgirl1552000 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014
I hate hypocrites in general.
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mrm64 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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NerdleBooyimi Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thank you! :D
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PeterJQuill Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
HahaHA sorry but I know people who had it shoved down their throat. I know people who were forced to go to church as kids and then told they were terrible monsters for leaving. I know people who were insulted and told they were going to Hell for having different opinions and beliefs. I know people who USED to be Christian and ended up absolutely HATING Christianity because they have had so, so many people tell them that they're wrong and disgusting and horrid for their beliefs, or that OTHERS are wrong and disgusting and horrid for their beliefs.

Don't act like there aren't Christians who are awful and will literally attempt to force religion on people. Because there are and they will.
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
If I lived in the United States I wouldn't be able to join the boy scouts, wouldn't be able to run for any electoral position in several states and would have to say God bless America every morning at school otherwise be taken aside and risk being ostracised by my classmates

I'll stop complaining about people shoving their beliefs down others throats in the US, when the US starts acing less like a theocracy. The US is an embarrassment to the rest of the western world.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014
No offense, but you don't even live in the US- it shows because I assume you're referring to the pledge of allegiance when you say "would have to say God bless America every morning at school"- however, those words are not only not found in the pledge of allegiance, the only reference to a deity in the pledge of allegiance are the words "under God"- furthermore, the pledge of allegiance was not a requirement to say even when I was a little one.  And yes, you would be able to run for any position anywhere regardless of your religion; people might not vote for you, but unless you'd like to cease elections in the name of "fairness", I highly doubt that kind of thing can be controlled. 

An embarrassment to the rest of the western world?  It's the only reason the western world exists. 
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I might not live in the US now but I lived their once, no offense but the people there, from what I saw, were uneducated and ran their mouths of about things they didn't even begin to grasp.

"And yes, you would be able to run for any position anywhere regardless of your religion; people might not vote for you, but unless you'd like to cease elections in the name of "fairness", I highly doubt that kind of thing can be controlled. " - Do you understand your own country? There are several states that have articles in their state constitutions that ban non-believes for running for office; these being Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas (so much for your freedom, huh?)

"It's the only reason the western world exists." - Excuse me, but America isn't the daddy of the western world, Europe would be free (actual free, not 'we-think-we-are-free-even-though-atheists-cant-run-for-office-in-seven-states' free) and progressive without the USA's existence.
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Lmao sorry about this tangent. I do agree with you on religions shoving their opinions down our throats. I don't even believe it has to be forced to be "shoved down" I hear religious people here whining when people say the are homosexual saying they are "shoving their homosexuality down" their throats even though they are just having to hear about it.

I dunno about freedom in Europe though. If the US had never broken off the UK would still probably be the most powerful country in history and today would have all of the resources of the US, and probably much of the rest of the world would be under its dominion.

There would probably be "democracy" in the UK at least, but not in any of its colonies. I'd imagine the democracy in the UK would be very elitist like it was in the 19th century where only the upper landowning 10% of the population could vote, because democracy didn't spread to everyone until the country hit economic hardships and people rioted which never would have existed without the US seceding. Universal Suffrage did not come to the UK until 1928 in our timeline.

I'd imagine that the royalty of France would have never been toppled because they wouldn't have gone into debt helping the US in the revolutionary war without the US winning. So there would be no democracy in France. The Church would control 1/3, the landowners 1/3, and the nobility 1/3. The French revolution would have failed (it did fail but I mean even failed to take over the government in the first place). Napoleon would have never taken over creating the giant messy country of Germany so there would be a bunch of little monarchies there today. Odds are the East India company would have kept growing and gathering more power forever without competition from America and in fact being able to use America's resources. It might still even have its military force.

Spain would still control the Philippines, Cuba, Florida, and lots of other places. 

If Fascism and Nationalism ever spread to mainland Europe like it did in our timeline hopefully, this monstrous gargantuan UK would have the power to tackle it and its resources and armies wouldn't be scattered all across the globe. If not then probably the fascists would have stalemated with England in the only world war and taken over the mainland of Europe (there wouldn't be two world wars because the first couldn't have happened without Kaiser Wilhelm ruling over a big clunky Post-Napoleonic Germany). In that eventuality much of mainland Europe would become some sort of fascist hell. 
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bobbysaypie Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
I'll stop complaining when religion stops ruling over people lives and I can get married.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
Then please do me a favor and tell people to quit pulling this:  dailysignal.com/2014/08/19/gov…

Or, ya know, this www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/…

Or even this  www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/0…

I'm not gonna play the "who is more oppressed" game with you.  However, I think we'd all be more keen on supporting the cause if we got some support in turn.  Rights are not a gift from government- rights are endowed by God to people, and we the people, through a cooperative effort, must defend our rights from those who would take them from us. 
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bobbysaypie Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
Sorry if the comment seemed a bit angry, I just get tired of not getting the same rights you know?

That being said, we should'nt take the rights away from Christians either (Coming from an Atheist here) so if they dont want to host a SSM than the couple just has to find another. People should not take away rights to add to others for sure.

Sorry once again for sounding hostile, Im just having a rough day. I meant no ill will towards you or Christians, Im just someone speaking what I believe, as you are.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
I didn't take it as very hostile.  You have not seen some comments I've gotten- those would redefine the word hostile. XD  That said, the thing I'd rather hear out of the gay rights movement isn't "stop shoving your beliefs down my throat", it's "what can we do to assure we both come out of this on top?"  I think there's a clear answer to that personally- the assurance, by law if necessary, that nothing I've shown you there with those links would ever happen.  In return, the ability to have a state-sponsored union in some way would be bestowed state by state.  Some people might say that it isn't enough, and others would also say that it was too much.

Sadly, however, I have few hopes for such an agreement, but that's all the more reason to never compromise what you believe in; there's a fine line between that and compromising what you believe in.
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LookAtMyLittlePoneh Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Eh, I don't mind indoctrinating as long as people are trying to politely teach me about religion/religious ways (I'm not completely set on not thinking about it either, I like to study religions which are interesting to me such as Buddhism and Taoism), or invite me along to I dunno, church events and such, but not when they get all whiny or even quite mean and are like "you will go to hell if you don't" "you need to be saved" "dirty sinner" or something along those lines (I've had someone tell me explicitly that I should go to hell when I tried to politely explain my non-religiousness, and they were REALLY angry at me, yeah, not my best day). If it crosses over into mean territory then I'm sorry but I'm not a doormat and I'm not going to take people blatantly raging at me for the sake of religious freedom. I have rights to not be discriminated against too. After all I would never in my right mind do the same. I'm not an angry Atheist and I take pride in that. I would understand if you get irritated at the same "don't shove it in my face" over and over again but my theory is that the angriest Atheists are the most recent ones, the ones who got scorned by becoming non-religious all of a sudden or are being rejected by their former religious groups or too overwhelmed by their change in belief. Then they get out in the real world, do some living and hopefully they soften up a little or sadly a portion of Atheists become worse then they were in the beginning, insulting anyone/anything that's even slightly a religious reference and that my friends, is how Anti-Theists are born! I am a dummy! 

I know you take pride in being politically incorrect and you're gonna groan at this when I say it but it's true: not all Atheists are alike the ones in your description. 
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pokemonsonic345 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I wonder how people with that attitude would have gotten along in Medieval Europe.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014
Well, in Medieval Europe, the Roman Catholic church murdered over 50 million Christians, added on to the countless death toll brought on by the crusades.  See, THAT'S getting religion shoved down your throat.  The words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance?  Not so much. :lol:
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2014  Student Digital Artist
That's counting casualties inflicted by both Protestants and Catholics waging a war against each other. Sometimes Protestants and Catholics massacred entire villages. That would be like counting the casualties we inflict on an enemy army as people the enemy "killed". On top of that Martin Luther was an extreme anti semitist who started Pogroms and massacres of Jews across protestant Europe. 

The Catholic Church largely ended the nonsensical witch hunts by the 1600s, however they continued in Protestant lands even spreading to America; the Salem Witch Trial being the most famous. The witch hunts didn't end in Protestant lands until the government started arresting people for killing alleged "witches" one of the most famous instances happening in 1751 in Hertfordshire where Thomas Colley was hanged for killing Ruth Osborne, an alleged "witch".
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