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Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW Religion and Your Throat by Starlow-FTW
I've seen how many comments and stamps saying the exact same thing? Too many, that's how many. We get it, you don't want to hear it. I respect that.

Oftentimes, people who say that they don't like religion being "shoved down their throat" don't seem to realize that just mentioning it or even trying to convert them does NOT constitute "shoving" by any means. I'm sorry, I didn't know there was a law that said you had to convert! I'm so, so very sorry! I didn't know you were stoned or horse-whipped if you didn't convert! My sincerest apologies! Seriously, though, if religion or something with it offends you, either press that little x on the top of your screen, or DON'T LOOK. If you don't want to be converted, just say, "Thank you, but I've made my decision" and be done with it! Not that hard. If they're a real Christian, they'll respect your decision.

That's all. Sorry the stamp is so terrible-looking. I don't exactly have good software.
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LadyOwen49 Featured By Owner 2 days ago
I'm an atheist and I agree with that. Mind you it's mostly because unlike every other atheist blogger on YouTube I don't really hate religion ,but still.
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Capt-SeriousSlayerX Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
It happens in some households,sure but i don't see Christians or anybody of a religion going out of there way to "Shove" it down people's throats like a lot of LGBT people say.
So agreed. And i'm not even religious either. 
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WarriorsFourEver44 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Religion seems to start so many civil conflicts nowadays. You can't go one day without being yelled at if you bring up something about religion in public. In all honesty, I'm scared to admit to my family, friends, even my boyfriend, that I'm an atheist, just because I feel like they might hate me instead. Society has caused me to want to build a wall around myself, which I have, in a way. I don't shun religion. I'm happy for those who still believe. It's just that I lost hope a couple years ago.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015
Is it really religion though?  Or is it people's attitudes about religion?  The point is that most conflict started over religion, barring those like ISIS, are less about religion and more about other things.  Society will shun you regardless of what you believe unless you believe in the flavor of the month, which even I really don't, and those people will be next on the chopping block. 

I hope I'm not out of line, but what have you lost hope in?
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WarriorsFourEver44 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry, that's what I meant. I meant their views on religion and their stances, etc.

And I lost hope in the belief that there's a god, because my family keeps passing away. First my grandma, then my grandpa, then my dog, etc.
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WereWolfStrike7 Featured By Owner Edited May 21, 2015  Student General Artist
Yes because I totally dont have to see in god we trust on my money all the time. I am going to start scratching it out and writing zeus or something on it. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner May 21, 2015
Tell me more about how you plan to deface US currency (a federal offense, just so you know) because of how offended you are by the word "God".  This is exactly what I'm talking about.
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WereWolfStrike7 Featured By Owner May 21, 2015  Student General Artist
not offended, just annoyed
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NaeGevurah Featured By Owner May 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll stop complaining when people stop pushing religious rituals, laws, rules, and practices as legitimate legislation.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner May 15, 2015
I see this one all the time, but nobody can really give me a solid example.  Sure, you have the awkward fringe group that wants to ban sodomy, and sure you get the random politician that takes things too far, but I've yet to see a mainstream political movement do much more than assure that religious freedoms remain.  In reality, the real danger that exists is the government's continual appeasement to minority groups because things "offend" them. 
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NaeGevurah Featured By Owner Edited May 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Being a majority or minority isn't important in this case - it's about separation of church and state, which is the law.
Anti-discrimination laws for LGBT+ people, right to marry for LGBT+ people, right to abortion, women's rights & equality, not allowing the teaching of religious text as scientific or historical fact... All these things in this secular country are being fought against by many religious folks (not all). Those in their ranks aren't just wingnuts on the sidelines, they're all over the map, on TV, running for office, and so on. If they feel those things are against their beliefs, so be it, but those are religious convictions that have no place being pushed on those of other religions or who are irreligious. There's more examples I'm sure, but I have a limit to how much free research I do for other people.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner May 16, 2015
Fair enough, but I don't think those are rights.  Abortion isn't a right, women have equality (well, in the West- I guess Iran and ISIS didn't get the memo about Separation of Church and State), and frankly, anti-discrimination laws have amounted to, "bake a cake for gay couples or else".  I will agree with you on one fact though- religious texts should not be taught as scientific fact.  The state and the church don't belong together- goodness knows how much doctrine they'd butcher or how far the state would go in perverting the Bible to suit their tyranny. 
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015   Writer
Mentioning it isn't. Trying to convert someone is what shoving it down someone's throat means, though. There's a difference. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015
I don't really think there's a difference at all.  It's a Christian's JOB to convert others, as many as they can reach.  The difference lies in how far a person will go to do so. Here's the kicker- you cannot convert someone.  It's impossible.  A Christian can merely lay the truth out there and it's for them to take or not- either way, we have to accept it as it is.  That's my POV.
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015   Writer
It's really disingenuous to say, "I'll respect their decision." but then really pressing it into them first until they stop being polite and tell you to formally fuck off. How would you feel if every Satanist kept knocking on your door and being like, "Have you heard about our Lord and Savior, Satan?" It'd be annoying, right?

Plus, if it's impossible, why be so goddamn obnoxious about it in the first place? Like, feed a homeless or something else actually Christlike for once. Pushing Jesus like he's heroin in an afterschool special just makes people dislike your nonsense more and more.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Edited Mar 31, 2015
I get it from atheists and their "you know the Bible is a storybook, right?" rhetoric plenty- even you about an hour ago.  I'm genuinely not offended. xD  That should tell you that if someone is that offended and they think they're oppressed by my faith (In America?  Sure)... maybe the problem is something more.  I do, after all, believe in freedom, enough to recognize that even if I can't stand what somebody says, I would gladly defend their right to say it.

Well I don't know why people are obnoxious about it or what you consider obnoxious.  Whether or not I feed homeless people or not is hardly your business, but regardless, if you find it obnoxious, the next time someone comes to your door asking if you want to hear about Jesus, merely reply that you don't find it necessary and wish them a nice day (instead of unleashing a dog or pulling out a shotgun).  You don't want me to speak for other Christians, that's fine, I'll just speak for myself when I say that I make an attempt, but I recognize that believe or else has no place in Christianity.  Now THAT, Miss Muffin, would be heresy. 

You tell me, what's so oppressive about someone knocking on your door, asking with genuine care about whether you want to save your own spiritual life.  Do you think door-to-door evangelists hide in the bushes in camo plotting against you, just waiting like snakes for the right moment before they can kick down your door and demand your undying faith?  People who keep talking about religion oppressing them... that's what I think goes on in their imaginations.  Shed some light on it.
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015   Writer
It might have something to do with all these Christians passing laws against gay rights. I might not want to hear about how much Jesus loves me from people who don't. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015
Can I have some specific examples?  DOMA is gone, gay marriage is legalized in what, 37 states?  I know both sides will be upset by this, but I think we're in a good equilibrium right now.  I don't think there's room for anyone to claim oppression barring very specific examples, but I'm not going to play the "I'm more oppressed than you" game.
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015   Writer
It's not a good equilibrium, you just don't want to suffer more losses in the culture war. :P
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015
I wasn't even pro DOMA.  It was an overreach of the federal government.  Gay marriage is a state right.  It belongs in the hands of the people, I'm sure even you would agree... but I'm not fighting people's delusional "culture war".  It's all going in the direction that everyone really knew it would.  I will say that the direction is a bit problematic, but that's a different conversation altogether. 
Still waiting for some harder evidence. 
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SleepySlytherin Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2015  Student Filmographer
i live in a christian house hold and have many friends who have religions and 99% of them don't push me to believe in what they believe so (:
Sure I have had someone come to our door trying to convert us to other religions (or in my case any religion since I believe in Science) and I always reply with "thanks but we're happy with the god we have and I don't have (-:" and they understand
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applefanfic Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I am an atheist (well actually I'm still deciding if I am or I'm just agnostic .__.) but the only time "religion" gets shoved down anyones throat is when they go looking for it.

And I just slap myself when some idiot comes and says, "O MY GAWD, RELEGION IZ SO STOPID!!11!!1" and then they expect no one to complain like what the fuck. Obviously if you say that, you're gonna have people coming to defend their religion. So if you don't want it "shoved down your throat" then do not speak of religion.


So, I think I will use this stamp.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015
I agree, and thank you :D
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DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
"If they're a real Christian, they'll respect your decision."

As an Atheist, I don't know if I agree with that statement. A real Christian would believe, in his heart, that non-believers are on a first class ticket to Hell and an eternity of fire and torture. If a Christian truly believes this, down to his core, and yet he doesn't make any sort of attempt at preventing anyone, even a total stranger, from going down such a perditious path, then he might as well have bought the ticket himself. If I saw someone about to get hit by a bus -and not only a bus, but an eternity of flaming buses-, and I considered myself a decent human being, then I would at least ATTEMPT to save him, or warn him at the very least. If I did not do this -if I did not even care- then I would be nothing but a monster, deserving of the worst retribution.

To make things clear, Christian proselytization irritates me to no end. But, the thought that someone who believes me doomed for eternal ruin wouldn't even attempt to warn me about my fate, only makes me sad. I would take irritated over sad any day. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015
I understand where you're coming from, but there's one key element that you're missing.  Jesus had given instructions to the disciples as to what they would do should they be rejected.  The answer was to kick the dust from your feet and move on.  Yes, a poor fate awaits those who reject the truth, but in the end, people choose their destination, and there's a point at which there is nothing more a person can or should do.  The "attempt at preventing anyone, even a total stranger, from going down such a perditious path" as you've described it, is the spread of the truth.  At some point, though, a person needs to move on and let the Holy Spirit deal with a person who refuses to see the truth.  It's not like you can force someone to be saved. 
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DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015  Student Digital Artist
OH NO I agree with what you're saying (with a dose of skepticism), but I wasn't referring to ACTUALLY "saving" a person. My comment simply referred to the initial attempt. Like coming up to a professed Atheist and saying "I'm not here to harass you or force you to believe, but would you kindly give me five minutes of your time." Sure, this might have no effect on the Atheist at all, but at least the Christian had the human decency to try. I can respect that. Its the people who just walk past and think "Well, that person's probably going to Hell" and never give them a second thought that disgust me. They BELIEVE it, but they simply don't care. 
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HappyLemonadeWishes Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
That means don't slam the door on Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015
That's rude, imo.
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MistaGruntz Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2015
The greatest irony of the situation is their hypocrisy. After all, how many youtube comments and militant people come milling around proclaiming "I hate these goddamn Christians shoving their religion down my throat"? Yet angrily decry about it, look for all manners to 'debunk,' say the same things over and over again, and look for all manners to silence the opposition (legislation, intimidation, etc.)

And the best part is when they behave impossibly stubborn and close minded. Sounds familiar yes? The idea shoving their religion (Atheism) down the throats of people who follow a different religion and expecting unilateral support for their actions because what they believe in is THE truth and anyone who doesn't should go die in a fire. As extreme as that's made out to be, that's what someone would call being a fundamentalist. The greatest hypocritical irony out there...

Sure, not all act like that but the problem is that these zealots are incredibly loud.

Either way, good stamp!
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fey-fae-whatever Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015
It's nice to see someone's noticed that! My language arts teacher pretty much hates Christianity, and is always talking about negative experiences he's had at church. He's usually pretty sweet, but when it comes to religion, I'm not even sure if I'm willing to listen. I try to be polite (and I haven't said anything to him about it), but it's hard...
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
Youtube comments are.... well, nothing good comes out of them.  Atheists going around trolling on them is the daily norm, and frankly I wouldn't even take them and their self-righteous, fallacy-ridden "evidence" with a grain of salt.  I agree with your latter point as well- some atheists are more than content to shove their beliefs down the throats of anyone else and tend to be more fundamentalist and radical than the fundamentalists they decry.  Not to say there aren't "Christians" that are similar, of course, as not every human is a saint, but it tends to be the loudest, not the brightest or the most correct, that get the most attention.
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styIo Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
FUCKING LAUGHS
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
I know, right?
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styIo Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no. i  laughed because. we do get religion stuffed down our throats.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
I very much disagree.  I am of the opinion that people just should not be forced to do that which they don't want to, and that goes either way.  I don't want my religion legislated (and knowing our government, they'd probably botch it anyways) nor do I want any other belief system imposed on me.  As long as that is adhered to, I think we're in a good place.  A cross in public or the "keep Christ in Christmas" billboard is not stuffing religion down anyone's throats. :3
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styIo Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
parents shove religion down your throat
if you fucking address that youre an atheist or something people will fucking tell you youre going to hell and try to make you believe in whatever they believe in
also christ was always in christmas if you havent noticed, thats why people made christmas??
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Hooded-Pigeon Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Xmas" is a common phrase among those who don't know the true meaning behind Christmas. I'm just trying to inform you here.
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styIo Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i dont believe in god, plus christmas once wasnt a thing, it was originally a pagan holiday.
i'd rather use x-mas because not everyone believes in god/arent the same religion. 
very informative, thank u
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Hooded-Pigeon Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't care if you believe or not. It's better to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "X-Mas". One because Muslims also celebrate "Ramadan" and would be offensive to them if you said "Merry X-mas". I personally don't give a shit about their celebrations and will wish people a Merry Christmas because it's what it's meant for, but since you're such a firm stander in the unbelieving, this is he path you should take.
It doesn't matter if it was a pagan holiday. It's now Christmas, not "Saturnalia". The birth of Jesus, a completely real once living human being, is a thing for us Christians to celebrate nowadays.
I wish you'd open your meek little eyes and not be so shut off and blunt about things.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014  Professional Photographer
Christiantity has a nasty habit of forcing people to go along with it through legislation actually, yeah.

- In my state, it's illegal for gay couples to be married or to enjoy the immense legal rights and tax breaks that come along with that because people of your faith lobby to keep them apart 
- People of your religion made me start every day of school by standing and pledging allegiance in recognition of your fake god.   When I refused, I was suspended. 
- And now, it's routed millions of my tax dollars to an "ark" bible amusement park in my state that exists to convert more people to Christianity.

So yeah, you guys have a piss-poor record of "respecting my decision" and a really great record of shoving your bullshit hate down my throat. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Edited Dec 6, 2014
I don't see any hate around here.  What I see is plenty of oppression all around and it's really just a mess.  First of all, you refused to say the pledge of allegiance simply because it says the words "under God" (similar words can be found upon the dollar on your pocket) and were suspended.  Fair enough, I can see how that can be a delicate issue either way.  Of course, I wouldn't generalize that as being people of "my religion" since the pledge of allegiance is said by Americans of every ethnicity and faith, and the schools are run by people of multiple faiths, I'm sure.
As for marriage, I'm reminded of numerous situations where gay couples sued Christian businesses for refusing to serve their events.  I'd argue that's a decent level of oppression.  As I said, I think there are a lot of people who care too much about issues that are irrelevant.  To say that Christians have a "piss poor record" of respecting people's decisions is pretty unfair.  Gay marriage itself is a very strange issue and is a lot more than what people on both sides like to make it.  I like to think I fall dead center on it, but that's a topic entirely.
As for the ark, according to some research done, it is hardly supported by tax dollars, which would be a violation of the constitution. In fact, it's donation supported and it had recently run out of money. 
In general, I'm not seeing all of this shoving hate down your throat.  In America you're pretty free to do whatever you like.  Might you get ridiculed for it?  Sure.  It's not right, but it's a thing and you can't legislate human behavior, at least not at that level. 
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2014  Professional Photographer
So you think that if a landlord or employers fires or evicts someone just because they're gay, that's fine, but if the landlord or employer is prevented from doing so, *they're* the ones being oppressed?  Am I understanding you correctly?  And you can only sue if it's illegal in the first place and Christians have had plenty of luck creating laws that make it perfectly legal to do these things.

The Ark has received $43 million in tax rebates from the state, $62 million from a government bond offering and has raised $14 million in private donations.  Yeah, that's effectively money out of my pocket.  I do not consent to giving money to your religion, but your religion is pretty good at taking it anyway. 

You can practice any religion you want and I'd defend your right to do so, but if you create a society where gay people don't get legal protections of marriage and can be fired or refused service just because they're gay, students are forced to recognize your god or get expelled, and you use tax dollars to convert people to Christianity, don't pretend for a second that you're the ones being opressed.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
What are you talking about??? More woolen hate Christians more than any other religious group .
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
More, what?

And at any rate, I think my post was clear.
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
So now your trying to insult my friends like 345rv5 who do you think you are? And plz stop insulting gamer gate supporters and Christians like me and I'll be on my way. :D
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
Oh, I see.  Your one of those people he asks to harass me.

But no, my concern with Christianity legislating it's beliefs as been clearly articulated, but I've not insulted either you or Christians.

And the Gamergate people are threatening women with rape and murder who support bringing more women into the gaming industry, so... Yeah, I don't support them and I wish they wouldn't do those things.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergat…
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
"Oh, I see.  Your one of those people he asks to harass me." no, thats such crap..
WTF, I want to se more Women Embrass Gaming and so do many gamergate supporters, thats Feminazi Crap.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
I don't think I understand what you're trying to communicate with me.

Though I have a vague idea you don't like me.
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