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Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Mao ZeDong, Kim Jong Il, enough said.

Wake up, people! Every group in existence has bloody history. Christians have the crusades, Muslims have today, Atheists have Asia, Jews have the time in the Roman Empire, and so on! Come on, people!

Do you know why these monsters use Christianity, or atheism, or what have you, to do what they do? Because that is their shield! Their cover. What authority would the pope in the middle ages have if he didn't brainwash the people under some fallacy that he was God's representative?

Atheists can be good people. Christians can be bad people. That's the reality. Can't we all just get along? Clowns like those examples come to power when people forget that I, a Christian, have blood just as red as an atheist's, or a Jew's, or a Muslim's.

You have been educated. Keep the applause to yourself. :lol: I'm terrible.

EDIT:  So a lot of people keep telling me that atheism is impossible to kill for... how many pictures of burnt churches and skeletons buried in mass graves need to exist out there before people admit atheists are human and are fallible, and some might even do bad things?  Hiding behind the semantics of "well, atheism isn't a belief" indicates to me that some people, with all due respect to them, are attempting to mask this fact, perhaps out of feelings of personal attack.  This stamp is not a personal attack on any atheists but meant to be one way to dispel the crazy idea that religion is the cause of humanity's woes.   Stalin murdered millions of Christians, Jews, and Muslims to perpetuate his power because tyrannies require absolute belief in an authority above God- that's why the Medieval Catholic church chained Bibles to the pews and why Stalin banned religion and killed its followers.  Now, let's put in some definitions so we can put an end to this nonsense.

Atheism: The belief that there is no god/no gods.

And apparently I need this for a lot of people on this stamp because I keep getting the exact same comments:

Denial: 
Denial consists of the refusal to accept a past or present reality and is most commonly employed to protect the host from their own negative traits.

Cognitive dissonance: the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.
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MauEvig Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
There's good and bad in everyone regardless of your faith or lack of it.
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Shadow-Arcanist Featured By Owner Edited Feb 3, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, that is true. Not all of us atheists are great moral folk, but then again, neither are all non-atheistic folk.
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tultsi93 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
cough cough*Graig Stephen Hicks*cough cough
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tabbi1994 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I just had to do research if those four were really atheists. Yes they were. But still, some madman doing horrible things still isn't as bad as a madman doing the same thing in the name of his religion. Because it just shows me how delusional and destructive you CAN get through a religion. One of the reasons i'm not religios. 
"Religion is opium for the people." As Lenin put it.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Edited Jan 19, 2016
Actually, as I've learned more about the atrocities committed throughout history by religious people (such as the crusades) I find fewer and fewer that were actually caused primarily by religion, more of them just being the result of greed and the usual causes of such things.  Doesn't make them right, of course, and the way I see it, if you kill or injure or steal, you've done wrong regardless of how you justify it, if you do at all.  It's really as simple as that.  Besides, can't a person be delusional because they are atheist?  Isn't it possible to hold the belief that without an objective moral code a supreme being can create, morality itself is irrelevant and meaningless?  That is more dangerous than any "delusion". 
Also, correct me if I'm wrong... but wasn't that Marx who said that? 
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tabbi1994 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I actually think it's rather insulting to assume you need relugion and a all mighty what ever stuff to have a moral code. As i said i'm not religios, as well as my family and my friends and none of us runs around stealing or something. I don't see how you need a god who tells you whats right and wrong,humans are able to decipher and understand whats right and wrong without religion. It was needed to survive in a groop. If you pulled shit in your tribe they just outcast you.

And i found the quote in a article about lenin and his fiew on religion. But maybe i misread,could be possible ^^

And sorry this post sounds more angry then it was intendet.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016
So what you are saying that religion does not make people behave in a certain way, but religion does make people behave in a certain way?
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tabbi1994 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I was trying to say that you don't need a god or religion to live with a moral and don't rin around mirdering. As i said humans had to learn whats right and wrong to live in groups.
Religion, in my opinion, was made up by humans to
A) explain things they couldn't undrstand.
B) help tjem through hard times and give them something to anchor them.

I think religion today should be outdayted.
I grew up with my parents never telling me about religion and when we had the toppic in class i was shocked there were people that belived in storys that were like santa or the easter bunny to me.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016
You said that people do horrible things because of religion. In other words, religion makes people behave in a certain way.
Then you said people don't need a god to tell right from wrong. In other words, religion does not make people behave in a certain way.

The thing I still can't wrap my head around is that you said a crime committed by an Atheist is less bad.
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tabbi1994 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 20, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Okay, let us pretend...
You belive in god, but your neighbor doesn't, so you kill him.
Or your neighbor steals your shovel, so you kill him.
To me every crime commited with a religios background (christian, islamic, satanistic, hinduistic...) is just way worse, because I think it's really scary how you can take something that was supposed to help mankind and do good and turn it into something so horrible. (I don't know how else to put it)
And I, for myself, honestly don't quite understand beliving in something higher, because I just wasn't raised in that way.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016
Not a good comparison. The shovel is direct material gain.

We are talking about political and religious ideologies here. Maybe killing your neighbour, because he is a moderate communist and you are a hard communist would be a better comparison.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016
I'm sorry, you misunderstood.  I didn't say that you need religion to be a moral person.  I said it is a possibility, not that all atheists are immoral and evil.  Some are.  Some religious people are incredibly immoral (of course, keep in mind I use "religious" very vaguely)- there is a group of them terrorizing the Middle East right about now, as you are aware.  That being said, as a Christian I believe that morality does have a creator, so to speak; even those don't identify as religious but try to be good people, they are borrowing the notion.  I also believe that we are living in very immoral times.  Just look around in the world today; more people identify as nonreligious than ever before and the world as a whole isn't exactly doing so well, is it?  It's not necessarily atheism at all, don't misunderstand me, it's really a people problem.  It's a problem in the hearts of mankind. 

I'm pretty sure it was Marx who said it, not Lenin.  Oh well, doesn't really matter.  :3  And don't be upset; I am not trying to insult or berate you or even atheists.  Contrary to what you might think, I do not even dislike atheists. 
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tabbi1994 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I didn't thought you hate atheists...your replies are far too chill for that.
And well everyone has their own opinion, i think you don't really need religion for anything.
But was really interesting to talk to you. I'm always interested in other peoples opinion on religion.
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itokpluto Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2015
WAKE ME UP
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
CAN'T WAKE UP
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
SAVE ME
CALL MY NAME AND SAVE ME FROM THE DARK
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CalypsoTheL0ver Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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angelinaxrose Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2015
Did you just put evanescence's lyrics here???
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itokpluto Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2015
:)
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angelinaxrose Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2015
Nyahhh!!! 
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DerpMangle Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You do you and i'll do me boo.
people of all faiths and ethnicities have done horrible things.
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
Anyone can do horrible things. 
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Cattachino Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Except for the fact that Atheists have notably almost never kill in the name of atheism. They just happened to be atheist.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ofc, how else would the media promote atheism, but then again, that's just conspiracies...hoho
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LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
this
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2015
Just wanna say I'm getting a real kick out of a few of these comments. 
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LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2016  Student Digital Artist
What?
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JasonAlexander1993 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2015
WAKE UP! 2'500'000'000 ARE CHRISTIANS IMBECILES, 1'500'000'000 ARE MUSLIMS IMBECILES BELIEVING IN GODS FICTITIOUS.
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Astrall99 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No shit Sherlock!
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
Such childish behavior, let people believe what they want.
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
Do you know what they would do? Oh, they would probably get angry at you because you're forcing your beliefs on them, so you're not really "helping" them in any way.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Such hate.....
Much childish.....
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
Look kid, not everyone has to have your beliefs. All you are doing is making atheists look like assholes.
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
No. :iconaboishappyplz:
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2015
Pfft. It's not your job to kick me off. :D
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
If you believe religious are brainwashed, then do something about it....

It's not like you'd bomb a church....
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DarkFearZZ Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep
usually atheist do more bad things since they doesn't believe in god, hell, heaven, sins
they have no one to fear so they do whatever they want
while usually religious people afraid of they're and believe if they do bad things they will go to hell and stuff.
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DragonStar2197 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Can we all just agree that every faith, or human, for that matter, has fucked up one way or another?
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CalypsoTheL0ver Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed
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61021376 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2015
I had someone try to convince me Stalin was a religious person because he had made a cult of his personality

Anyway I would say it's not that simple. You had people like Hitler who was Christian (as he called himself christian) and their religion doesnt matter since all their thematics were secular. It's the case for Hitler. Plus if his religion had any importance his main voters would have been Catholics (as he was Austrian and raised a Catholic), not Protestants.

And then you have cases like Smyrna. Under islamic laws in the Ottoman empire, Christian minorities sure were treated like shit but they werent exterminated. Then come Turkish racist nationalists and the Christians (Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians) go out the window. And Smyrna (the most racially and religiously diverse city in the entire empire) is burned to the ground. How symbolic. And a progressive news program still is called "the young turks". Disgraceful.
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Shadow-Guardian0 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2015  Student General Artist
The Crusades were not the Catholic's fault. The muslims were the bad guys.
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CalypsoTheL0ver Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you!
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Infernox-Ratchet Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015
Agreed. They may not do it in the name of atheism but when people like Stalin burn down churches and mosques, that's a sign showing that they're trying to destroy religion and further anti-theism :lol:
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ACommissionReviewer Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015
Let's talk about your stamp for a moment before I get into the real gold mine of your description, yes Atheists in the past have done horrible things, so have religious folk. However it's not their religion or lack of belief that caused them to do these horrible things. It was their lack of a good moral code. For example the Nazis found it moral and just to kill Jews. Stalin is a perfect example of someone who can live outside of a moral code and still live with himself, that's what we call sociopaths. Stalin was a very paranoid person, all those he killed were killed because he felt them to be a threat to his rule and to the Soviet Union. Anyways with that out of the way let's get into the real juice of this post.

"Wake up, people! Every group in existence has bloody history. Christians have the crusades, Muslims have today, Atheists have Asia, Jews have the time in the Roman Empire, and so on! Come on, people! "

Christians also have the Holocaust, the Roman Empire, the witch hunts, and much more. These are examples of people again who had a lack of a good moral code and used their religion to justify themselves. Stalin never used that, he used his paranoia and power to do so.

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Do you know why these monsters use Christianity, or atheism, or what have you, to do what they do? Because that is their shield! Their cover. "

Well to the monsters who were christians and Islamic yes, again Stalin never used his lack of belief to justify himself or his actions.

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What authority would the pope in the middle ages have if he didn't brainwash the people under some fallacy that he was God's representative?"

What relevance is this to your argument?

"Atheists can be good people"

Yes that is true, but the way you wrote that was like a majority of us Atheists aren't good people. 

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 Christians can be bad people. That's the reality."

Yes that is true, and the way you wrote this can appeal since the majority of people in history were Christians.

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 Can't we all just get along?"

we can you people would stop believing in Faith healing which doesn't work, enforcing religious laws onto people who aren't religious and keep Creationism out of the classroom we can get along.

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Clowns like those examples come to power when people forget that I, a Christian, have blood just as red as an atheist's, or a Jew's, or a Muslim's."

Well no that's not the case though. I'd argue despite the crimes by Stalin and other Atheist dictators religious folk have more blood on their hands. I mean even today people are dying "in the name of Jesus". 

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 So a lot of people keep telling me that atheism is impossible to kill for... how many pictures of burnt churches and skeletons buried in mass graves need to exist out there before people admit atheists are human and are fallible, and some might even do bad things?"

Well you know I could turn this argument around on you and bring up news reports about Gay bars and abortion clinics being bombed.

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Hiding behind the semantics of "well, atheism isn't a belief" indicates to me that some people, with all due respect to them, are attempting to mask this fact, perhaps out of feelings of personal attack."

Well your stamp does only talk towards Atheists, not Christians or Muslims. So for them to feel personally attacked I wouldn't blame them.

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 This stamp is not a personal attack on any atheists but meant to be one way to dispel the crazy idea that religion is the cause of humanity's woes."

Are you sure you didn't make this stamp as a personal attack? Because if so why isn't any other religion on it? Also yes it's somewhat silly to think religion caused all woes of human history, but it has caused quite a lot of it.

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 Stalin murdered millions of Christians, Jews, and Muslims to perpetuate his power because tyrannies require absolute belief in an authority above God- that's why the Medieval Catholic church chained Bibles to the pews and why Stalin banned religion and killed its followers."

Well Stalin didn't kill people because of their religion, he killed them because he found them a threat to his rule. 

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Now, let's put in some definitions so we can put an end to this nonsense."

And hopefully you'll source these right?

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Atheism: The belief that there is no god/no gods."

Already I know you're bullshitting with this. First off Atheism isn't a belief, rather it's the lack of belief, the rejection of the positive claim to the existence of a god. Also only a small majority of Atheists say there is no god, for the vast majority Atheism is simply the lack of faith in the existence of a person god.

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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2015
"Christians also have the Holocaust, the Roman Empire"

Let's stop right there to address two facts.  Hitler was not a Christian, and the Roman empire was not Christian until Constantine reunited the empire.  Before Constantine, Nero and Caligula, amongst other Romans, had a nasty habit of throwing Christians into colosseums and having them fight wild animals to death in front of thousands as a spectacle.  The Western empire was never even fully Christian.  The Eastern empire was, by and large, Christian, but which Christians are you referring to?  The ones who saved thousands of women, children, and elderly from the plagues that the barbarian hordes had brought?  I'm sorry for throwing so much at you at once, but I also want to address the Roman Catholic church during the middle ages.  Yes, they targeted "heretics", Jews, Muslims, etc.  The crusades were nothing special- the Muslims in the East had been waging war against Europe long before the crusades.  That was just another of the many wars occurring.  Many victims during the reign of the Papacy, however, were Christians- 50,000,000, to be precise.  The papacy also made it a point to criminalize owning a Bible, which leads me to discount them as Christian at all.  My point with all this is that it's hard to see any of those historical examples as Christians being the bad guy. 

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Well to the monsters who were christians and Islamic yes, again Stalin never used his lack of belief to justify himself or his actions."

Yes he did.  Atheism is the backbone of communism.  Don't believe me, read some of Marx and Lenin.  If a people have some religious belief that they put above obedience to government, communism can never flourish.  Stalin utilized atheism as a tool- he banned religion, burned churches, and made any dissenters "vanish".  People need to realize that he needed the Russian people to be atheist as much as the Papacy in the middle ages needed the people to support that pope.  Disclaimer: Not all atheists are communists- I did not say that.

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Yes that is true, but the way you wrote that was like a majority of us Atheists aren't good people. "

I never wrote that.  I don't even really believe that.  Actually, let me come out and say that I have atheist watchers, atheist friends, colleagues, etc, and I think they're all pretty great.  Nobody is a good person in the absolute sense of the word, but I don't think atheists are lesser in any way.  I do, however, believe that just about all dictators are pretty bad people... that's more or less the real point of this whole thing, to get people to get off the "religion is the source of the world's problems and nobody else can do any wrong" bandwagon.  Clearly, I've demonstrated that it takes more than "faith" in a higher power to do bad things, and sometimes, bad people in the world manipulate the faith or lack thereof in others to achieve some bad ends. 

"we can you people would stop believing in Faith healing which doesn't work, enforcing religious laws onto people who aren't religious and keep Creationism out of the classroom we can get along."

I don't know anyone who believes in faith healing or wants a state religion.  Sure, some people do want creationism taught in schools which I think is a mistake, that's fair.  But faith healing?  That isn't the reason we can't "get along." 

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Are you sure you didn't make this stamp as a personal attack? Because if so why isn't any other religion on it? Also yes it's somewhat silly to think religion caused all woes of human history, but it has caused quite a lot of it."

It's not a personal attack.  I'm sorry you believe it is, but it's not.  It's written this way because it tends to be atheists guilty of claiming that the world would be better off without religion, that religion is the source of the woes of the world, blah blah.  Do all atheists say this?  No way- look at all the atheists who are thrilled with this stamp- they hardly seem offended.  You know what has caused more wars and famine than religion?  How about money, land, resources, politics, vengeance, etc.

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First off Atheism isn't a belief, rather it's the lack of belief"

With something like religion, the two are the exact same.  I have a box- I believe there is a rock inside the box.  You do not believe there is... what is the difference between saying, "I believe there is no rock" and "I don't believe there is a rock"?  For all intents and purposes, there is no difference.  Case in point, look at these two synonymous definitions.  www.merriam-webster.com/dictio…
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