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Wake up by Starlow-FTW Wake up by Starlow-FTW
Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Mao ZeDong, Kim Jong Il, enough said.

Wake up, people! Every group in existence has bloody history. Christians have the crusades, Muslims have today, Atheists have Asia, Jews have the time in the Roman Empire, and so on! Come on, people!

Do you know why these monsters use Christianity, or atheism, or what have you, to do what they do? Because that is their shield! Their cover. What authority would the pope in the middle ages have if he didn't brainwash the people under some fallacy that he was God's representative?

Atheists can be good people. Christians can be bad people. That's the reality. Can't we all just get along? Clowns like those examples come to power when people forget that I, a Christian, have blood just as red as an atheist's, or a Jew's, or a Muslim's.

You have been educated. Keep the applause to yourself. :lol: I'm terrible.
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Nobody is denying this. This stamp doesn't need to be said.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 2 days ago
You should read the endless comments I've gotten attempting to deny it- it proves this stamp was long overdue.
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I've had endless comments from Christians attemping to deny that any Christian has murdered or done a bad thing ever, usually they consist of the no true scotman fallacy, (i.e murders aren't real Christians). I've even had people try to defend the terrible shit Christians have done (i.e the crusades in South America, someone said to me they were a good thing because they Christianised the south American savages). Guess this works both says.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 2 days ago
People do bad things.  That's simple truth.  Hey, even in the Bible it was the devout, the religious people, who often offended God the most, such as the Pharisees.  I have no doubt that the crusades sanctioned were offensive to God in reality, as Christianity does have standards.  However, the crusades happened, as did colonization.  The Muslim empires did similar things.  Atheists have blood on their hands from the communist era... even Hindus with their mistreatment of the Buddhists in China aren't completely innocent.  The recognition that people who identify with your religion do wrong, however, isn't the same as pointing fingers.  It's just that the whole Christianity blaming thing is getting a little old.  Christians are responsible for this war or religion has caused that war, or progress has slowed because of that religious group... history repeats itself; blaming a certain religious group (I include atheism in this) for one's problems isn't new or clever. 
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I know that. People know this. It just seems that a lot of your stamps target Atheists unfairly. Like, the poor little minority of Christians shouldn't be afraid to say merry Christmas and the big bad atheists should realise that they can also do bad. It just sort of bothers me how Christians pretend to be persecuted by atheists and yet I can't run for office in several states or join the boy scouts.
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DistinguishedPhysics Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Writer
Atheists have done bad things. Religious people have done bad things.
The difference is that nobody has done a bad thing in the name of atheism.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 5 days ago
I don't actually know why everyone keeps trying to fight me on that point.  If nothing bad has ever been done in the name of atheism, nothing bad has ever been done in the name of any religion.  We know both are false, but they're two sides of the same coin, generally speaking.  Bad things have been done for all sorts of reasons.  For the most part, I feel comfortable saying that almost every mass atrocity in world history can be attributed to a large, oppressive, corrupt government in power wanting to subjugate someone else.  After all, the smallest and most vulnerable minority in existence is the individual.
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DancingCow101 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014
Well technically they have to say it in the name of something. LIKE Some people use the excuse to do bad thing because religion said it, which wasn't true. How about we all agree that humanity is fucked up? 
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CrystalMV Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
I tried to be tolerant to all religions, but I had to face reality. This is actually ad hominem fallacy. Bad things being done by atheists changes nothing in this topic.

People were killed under the command of some religions, including Christianity and Islam. For example, homosexuals were (and still are) killed under the command of Bible and Quran. In contrast, not a single person has ever been killed under the command of atheism. Atheism is not something that says to kill therefore it cannot be responsible for killing done by atheists. You cannot say the same about many things done by organized groups, including religions.

So this is it. This is the truth that might be unpleasant, but it's still the truth. I know, the idea of "peace between different religious views" sounds nice in the beginning, but when you think about it, it just doesn't work that way.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
It's not an ad hominem fallacy, it's reality. 

"In contrast, not a single person has ever been killed under the command of atheism. Atheism is not something that says to kill therefore it cannot be responsible for killing done by atheists. You cannot say the same about many things done by organized groups, including religions."

That's not true.  Stalin was an atheist who wanted an atheist state devoid of religion, so he mass murdered Christians, Muslims, and Jews who dared show themselves in public.  People keep saying that you can't kill in the name of atheism, but that's a load of crap- quite the contrary, for an atheist state to survive, it MUST commit such acts to preserve itself as an atheist state.  The reason for that is simple; a totalitarian government such as a communist state must be devoid of religion because of its impacts on people's lives.  A person with a faith may put their loyalty to their God above their loyalty to the state, and for a dictatorship, that's an enormous issue.  For a great example of this very tactic, take a look at North Korea where they have created a religion which centers around the worship of the great leader- people who possess a different religion will be executed or worse.  If you think about it, that pattern of state worship isn't limited to only communism- it can be found in so-called theocracies such as the dark ages' papacy or modern day theocracies in the Middle East.  I would very much argue those are about totalitarian governments really using a powerful weapon - religion - to accomplish one task; control the people.  So who is to say that religion is the cause of ANY mass murder, and now who is to say that a powerful centralized system of government isn't responsible for every conflict in world history?  You can't, especially not if atheism, the very absence of religion, can also spur violence just as I've proven; you certainly cannot argue that it's not so if history tells us that every conflict involving mass murder didn't have religion in common, but a large government in common.  What's really the enemy?
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