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Wake up by Starlow-FTW Wake up by Starlow-FTW
Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Mao ZeDong, Kim Jong Il, enough said.

Wake up, people! Every group in existence has bloody history. Christians have the crusades, Muslims have today, Atheists have Asia, Jews have the time in the Roman Empire, and so on! Come on, people!

Do you know why these monsters use Christianity, or atheism, or what have you, to do what they do? Because that is their shield! Their cover. What authority would the pope in the middle ages have if he didn't brainwash the people under some fallacy that he was God's representative?

Atheists can be good people. Christians can be bad people. That's the reality. Can't we all just get along? Clowns like those examples come to power when people forget that I, a Christian, have blood just as red as an atheist's, or a Jew's, or a Muslim's.

You have been educated. Keep the applause to yourself. :lol: I'm terrible.
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Sima2001 Featured By Owner 2 days ago  New member
true , ive readed that in history.
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Mickey-the-Luxray Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think it's most hilarious that one could consider the atheist countries of Asia that suppress religion to be a form of theocracy (they share many traits), despite being based around a complete lack of religious belief. It's ironic.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 5 days ago
It is ironic that places which condemn religion as foolishness which inspires division and evil actions around the world... does the very same thing.  People, especially on dA and mostly the pseudo-intellectuals, talk about how horrible religion is and all the terrible things that happen.  Well... the USSR mandated an atheist society, and those tolerant, forward thinking communists built their society on top of pits full of the bones of dead clergy.  The problem isn't religion and the problem isn't necessarily atheism, it's people without a single fibre of morality in their bodies that don't stand up to evil.  It's all I'm trying to point out.
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Mickey-the-Luxray Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Preach. The best way to find yourself hating an ideology is to look to the worst of it's practitioners, even if the ideology itself is harmless or at least ignorable.
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner 6 days ago   Digital Artist
Why wont some of the fucking atheists in the artist comments own the fuck up to this? Why. They been doing this shit for years on Christans and Muslims and theists but when they're reminded of Stalin they find complete excuses.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 5 days ago
Not a clue why.  It's not an admission of personal guilt to admit that there are people in the world who share your belief system that have done cruddy things.  Muslims, Catholics, Atheists, you name it, that group has had bad people.  White people did slavery, I don't hate white people.  It's more dangerous, however, to justify evil actions because of a conflict of interest with the name of whatever group they subscribe to.  I have no problem condemning evil actions, whether they be done by a person who calls themselves a Christian or not, and atheists shouldn't either.
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner 5 days ago   Digital Artist
Actually, black people had theirselves as slaves before white people did.
Other than that, I agree.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner 5 days ago
Right, definitely!  Was just making a point.
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015   Digital Artist
I like how some atheists are unloading with excuses.
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Everyone have done something bad
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DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I'm an Atheist, and this is so totally futile. Nothing really has to be said. No one is motivated by Atheism to do terrible things. That would be giving Atheism waaayyy to much credit. It's a single position on a single question. Peace out. 
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015
Any other religion is a position on the same question- atheism is just the other side of the very same coin.  Some people believed religion so foolish that they killed them for it, not unlike the desire of religious fanatical monsters who kill others in the name of whatever it is they call a god, sometimes to "save" that person and other times to condemn them.  This stamp was my way of both reminding people that we aren't all that different, and to basically say, "no more excuses, an individual must always be held accountable without a scapegoat".  Didn't expect anyone to be a fan, but I never do.
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DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Well, for Atheists, the glaring difference between Atheists who do horrible things and Theists who do horrible things is so stark it doesn't even have to be pointed out. Atheism has no principles by which a person could interpret a motivation to do harm. Many Theistic religions have exactly that. Atheists cannot "own up" to the terrible acts of other Atheists, because there is nothing to "own up" to. Theists, if anything, are able to recognize that their particular religion contains dogmatic principles that a person could use as justification for committing atrocities. 

Well, Atheism isn't actually the opposite of religion. It is the opposite of Theism. I do agree that we need to hold individuals responsible for committing heinous acts, and that personal beliefs cannot be used as justification. Individuals commit crimes. Beliefs are only a factor. 
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radiumlowi Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Im an ex atheist, even now I believe in God I still dont bash them... as I was one before
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TheBakaDragonX3 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
From all these defensive comments I'm seeing, y'all atheists really don't know how to own up.... (not a generalization, I mean the ones in the comment section...)
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey, no need to get so defensive.  I'm just calling it as it is. Atheism is just a lack of belief in a god. It is A-theism. It doesn't tell you how someone will act or what else they might believe.

Of course, Christianity is still to me a toxic religion, and I'll tell you why I think so.

You are of course free to disagree.  Just as free as to I am to say why I think it is.
If you want to discuss, then lets do so.
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TheBakaDragonX3 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to look like I was being defensive. I know that atheists won't all act the same way. I just noticed a common behavior in this here comment section.

I don't completely disagree with you. I am a Christian, but I can see why you find it to be a "toxic religion".
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Mao ZeDong, Kim Jong Il - They were communist and they done bullshit for their own good, not for atheism...
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Atheism in itself was the cause, or at least part of it.  All communist states have been atheistic in nature, all of them.  Communism needs atheism because a communist state is totalitarian, and totalitarian states have poor records of religious freedom because a dictator can't have their people pledge their allegiance to a higher power. 
If I were to say the same things about the crusades that people do here about communism and atheism, there'd be a riot.  The way I see it they are two sides of the same coin.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Communism as an ideology does not preclude religion; however, it is often missunderstood.  Communism does not equal totalitarianism.  Human's seeming inability to create actual Communism seems to stem from our selfishness and our inability to see all other humans as humans.  In other words 1,000 people you don't know on the other side of planet die, yet you would still place more value on your own parents dying.  Those other people are less human to you.

In an ideal world, communism would be wonderful, however as it is now there is usually a despot that comes in to "direct" things, defeating the entire purpose.

Atheism has nothing to do with either one of these things as it is simply a lack of a belief in a god.  For example there are Buddhist that believe in many spiritual things that would still be considered atheist.  Atheism tell us nothing and is simply a label that says one does not in a deity.  It is not hard to understand.  Don't conflate it into actual beliefs.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So what?

People do horrible things.
God does nothing and just lets it happen.
It is because God doesn't really care for us.
He made us messed up and lets us be messed up.
The only ones He even slightly cares about are the ones that bow to Him.
He will never explain His plan to His followers though, just know everything is really for the best.
Go to church and pray.  Everything will be fine.
Except everything is not fine.
It has never been fine.
It will never be fine.

The entire world cannot be united under a single religion unless force is used.
Even then many adherents would not actually believe but only participate because of the threat.
This tells me that God created a huge number of people for the single purpose of punishing them forever.
How is an eternal punishment just for a finite crime?

By this view the Christian God is a monster only made worse setting up the rules so a human had to be sacrificed for all.
It's all non-sense and there is no reason to believe it, until something credible is presented.
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RedBerryBush Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, if you maybe STUDIED the bible more, you would know that God works everything into a special plan for us. Maybe you schools think before you comment next time?
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
God saves everyone?  No one is going to hell?  Or is hell part of God's special plan?
You know, the infinitely merciful and all loving god of the Bible, who will happily torture you for eternity for not believing in him.

By the way, it was Jesus who introduced the concept of hell.  The Jews never believed they would be going to such a place.

Oh, and studying the Bible, been there, done that.
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RedBerryBush Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hello? Is logic in there? He doesn't, as you say,"happily" send us to hell. It's probably more than than your thick skull can process, but it wasn't HIS fault that hell came to be. It was actually Satan. He was an angel who turned evil, if you don't know. God turned him into a demon. Satan is why we sin. It's not God's fault.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please, lets keep ad hominem out of this.  I don't appreciate being called thick skulled because you disagree with my position.

I said happily because being the creator of the universe he also set all the rules into motion.  This includes the one where he sends disbelieves to hell.  By the way god made satan.  He is either incompetent as a designer and didn't realize he had messed up his design or he intention built satan to fail (along with the rest of us).  If he is incompetent he should taken full blame and have started over, not practice the pointlessly cruel act of torturing his sapient creations for an eternity.  God is more powerful than satan.  By your own words he made satan a demon.  He could end this at any time.  If you believe satan did all this, then god's complacency is in his inaction.

Not that I expect to have a civil dialog with you at this point.  You have made it abundantly clear by your use of ad hominem that you will just turn around without considering what I said and repeat "na uh you idiot" in some form or another.  Given this information I may have to cut off dialog with you as clearly dialog is not what you are interested in.
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lolsweetgirl Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Student General Artist
I disagree if you do something bad of course you suffer the consequences so don't just call god out saying it was his fault because he didn't do anything wrong YOU did
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You didn't understand then.
Everything is the fault of an all powerful God, no exception.

Lets get rid of that all powerful trait.
God made us as we are.
Either he messed up and should take the blame for accidentally making us in such a way that our failure is inevitable or he intentionally built us for failure from the start.

In case one, if he doesn't take blame for his failure then he is a monster for giving punishment to his creation for his own mistake.
In case two, he is a monster for giving punishment.  He designed us to fail.  You can't punish for something that is intrinsic to the design.
"Freewill" is included as part of the design, by the way.

Aside from that, the idea that the only way to take away this intrinsic blame is by submitting to Jesus, simply does not follow.  God set the rules.  Why is Jesus needed?  Why would he require us to believe anything on blind faith?
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I think you should study God and Christianity before calling them out. Your argument needs more knowledge on the subject.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, there are many different beliefs surrounding the Bible, some that don't even believe there is a god.  I just went after one of them that happens to believe there is a god and Jesus is his son.  Also, I don't have five hundred lifetimes available to study every single possible belief about the Bible.

Please point out what is wrong with what I've said in my last comment, instead of just saying I'm ignorant of something.  You need to provide reason for your claim that my statement lacks knowledge of Christianity.  Else it really is meaningless.  Also, please specify what type of Christianity you are talking about, since there are many types that all disagree with each other.  Also, the fact there are so many different branches that themselves have branches shows there is not one truth to it.  One would expect the opposite with matter of truth.
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
"People do horrible things. God does nothing and just lets it happen. It is because God doesn't really care for us."
The answer to that based on what I studied, suffering was not part of God’s purpose for mankind. However, the first human couple rebelled against God’s rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
God is all powerful and all knowing.  He created them to rebel.  There is no way that he could not have know what was going to happen when he created them.  He wants to punish us for how he created us.

So yes the point hold because being all powerful and knowing, he knew what would happen to this world as well.  Then he blames the ones he created, says it is your fault, don't look to the all knowing, all powerful creator.  I might have given you that free will thing and even knew where it would lead because of how I created you, but really it is you that needs to be punish.  For you see I'm perfect.
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
"He created them to rebel.  There is no way that he could not have know what was going to happen when he created them.  He wants to punish us for how he created us."
Instead of accusing a god for punishing people and not caring about what is happening currently, why don't you ask a someone in person who is a Christian those points.
"So yes the point hold because being all powerful and knowing, he knew what would happen to this world as well."
If he was to know this would happen and have the option of seeing the future if he wanted to, why would he create humanity? Study Christianity more.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Omniscient means he knows the future.  Do you deny this is a property of god?  If so that makes you different than most Christians I deal with.
Do you think god is all powerful as well?  What do you believe about god?

I'm asking you and not the bible because I find pretty much every christian will disagree on the bible.  If you believe god is all powerful and all knowing then you believe in an evil dictator, no doubt.

Do you believe god set evolution in motion or that we were created as we appear today?  Different Christians struggle with this point.  Please, don't use a no true Scotsman fallacy to say others are not true Christians.  Someone who professes faith that Jesus died for them is a Christian, whatever else they may attach to the title.

If god is giving a infinite punishment for a finite crime of disbelief, then he still is an evil dictator.  If he punishes for not believeing something on blind faith (ie. no proof) he still is an evil dictator, no matter the punishment.  If he punishes because we are his flawed creation, shouldn't he also take blame for being the creator?  If he is or is not a competent designer, surely he should take full blame.  Either it was a mess up or he intentionally built us to fail.  No need for the all knowing or all powerful traits here.  The god of the bible is a monster.

By the way, I was a Christian and have read the bible cover to cover.  Not only have I studied the Bible, but I've also studied the history of the church.  I no longer found the apologetics convincing, and if I was going to be honest with myself, I was going to have to give up Christianity.  You have yet to give an argument, instead saying you don't agree with my points against one brand of Christian and that I should ask a real Christian (ie. true Scotsman).  This is not really a good way to convince someone.
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V-Cyan Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Student
You're comment made me happier with my points of views of life.
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
God didn't create people to punish them. And God does care about mankind or we'd all be dead. And why should God dictate people? That's no better than being ruled over by the government. Also there's no evidence the world got worse after Jesus was crucified (which he chose to allow to happen to him). And don't call it all nonsense just because you don't like it.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's non-sense because there is nothing to back it up.  If God exists, show it.  Until then it is no different then talking about how fairies feel about humans.

Now to engage in discussing what I consider non-sense!

God created the universe, correct?  This includes all angles and Satan as well.  If so he is the one who set up the laws and rules that govern the universe as well.  By creating humans as we are he set us up for failure in his system.  He offers eternal punishment for failure.  By setting us up for failure by creating us as we are and by offering eternal punishment for failure this god has set up a system in which he creates people only to punish them eternally.

Is this justice to Christians?  Is this the truth of love and hope so many of them want to spread?  Worship now or burn forever.  To me this is repugnant.  Just to make it even worse the only way to be saved by this god is to accept another mans death.  It is the only way to salvation this god will accept.  It is disgusting, but ultimately it makes Christianity little more than a very popular, old, and established cult of death.  One death that Christians claim to need.
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner 18 hours ago
Your lies can't fool me, and knock it off with stupid/loaded questions.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner 16 hours ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They are not stupid or loaded questions.
They deal with serious problems in such a belief system.
According to the myth god intentionally made a flawed creation.  He then torturers that creation for what is really his own doing (making a flawed creation).  He then blames the creation for the flaws he gave it.  The creation has no control over how it is created.  Such a god is an evil god.

How is this not a legitimate criticism?

I'm sorry you are not comfortable with my questions, but the world doesn't conform to your comfort zone.

If you can't deal with it then don't pretend you can.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
So.... You have killed christianity.
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner 18 hours ago
Don't respond when you clearly have nothing.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014
No one done anything in name of atheism, it's impossible. Atheism is de facto nothing, who's so stupid to kill someone for nothing?
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
But atheists (particularly communists) have murdered and oppressed to usher in a godless utopia. Also most Christians that have done terrible things didn't do it for God.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Godless utopia? Atheism is not communism, get over it. And they did it because they WERE retarded COMMUNISTS, not atheists, and your last sentence can by apply to atheists too, although atheist never done anything for atheism (BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE), so where's sense?
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner 18 hours ago
Crazy talk and lying doesn't help you. Come back when you have an actual argument.
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
The pleasure of it maybe. It's messed up.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
Then it's for pleasure, not for atheism.
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
yeah. either way, anyone is capable of anything, despite belief
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
Limits are everywhere, if i whole life dream of flying and then jump from mouintain, i will die...
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
That's a pretty good argument
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Edited Nov 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Society of the Godless, The Freedom From Religion Foundation, Joseph Stalin, and don't get me started on Atheists bullies on the Internet...
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