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Wake up by Starlow-FTW Wake up by Starlow-FTW
Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Mao ZeDong, Kim Jong Il, enough said.

Wake up, people! Every group in existence has bloody history. Christians have the crusades, Muslims have today, Atheists have Asia, Jews have the time in the Roman Empire, and so on! Come on, people!

Do you know why these monsters use Christianity, or atheism, or what have you, to do what they do? Because that is their shield! Their cover. What authority would the pope in the middle ages have if he didn't brainwash the people under some fallacy that he was God's representative?

Atheists can be good people. Christians can be bad people. That's the reality. Can't we all just get along? Clowns like those examples come to power when people forget that I, a Christian, have blood just as red as an atheist's, or a Jew's, or a Muslim's.

You have been educated. Keep the applause to yourself. :lol: I'm terrible.
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TheBakaDragonX3 Featured By Owner Edited 1 day ago  Hobbyist General Artist
From all these defensive comments I'm seeing, y'all atheists really don't know how to own up.... (not a generalization, I mean the ones in the comment section...)
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member
Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Mao ZeDong, Kim Jong Il - They were communist and they done bullshit for their own good, not for atheism...
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Atheism in itself was the cause, or at least part of it.  All communist states have been atheistic in nature, all of them.  Communism needs atheism because a communist state is totalitarian, and totalitarian states have poor records of religious freedom because a dictator can't have their people pledge their allegiance to a higher power. 
If I were to say the same things about the crusades that people do here about communism and atheism, there'd be a riot.  The way I see it they are two sides of the same coin.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Communism as an ideology does not preclude religion; however, it is often missunderstood.  Communism does not equal totalitarianism.  Human's seeming inability to create actual Communism seems to stem from our selfishness and our inability to see all other humans as humans.  In other words 1,000 people you don't know on the other side of planet die, yet you would still place more value on your own parents dying.  Those other people are less human to you.

In an ideal world, communism would be wonderful, however as it is now there is usually a despot that comes in to "direct" things, defeating the entire purpose.

Atheism has nothing to do with either one of these things as it is simply a lack of a belief in a god.  For example there are Buddhist that believe in many spiritual things that would still be considered atheist.  Atheism tell us nothing and is simply a label that says one does not in a deity.  It is not hard to understand.  Don't conflate it into actual beliefs.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So what?

People do horrible things.
God does nothing and just lets it happen.
It is because God doesn't really care for us.
He made us messed up and lets us be messed up.
The only ones He even slightly cares about are the ones that bow to Him.
He will never explain His plan to His followers though, just know everything is really for the best.
Go to church and pray.  Everything will be fine.
Except everything is not fine.
It has never been fine.
It will never be fine.

The entire world cannot be united under a single religion unless force is used.
Even then many adherents would not actually believe but only participate because of the threat.
This tells me that God created a huge number of people for the single purpose of punishing them forever.
How is an eternal punishment just for a finite crime?

By this view the Christian God is a monster only made worse setting up the rules so a human had to be sacrificed for all.
It's all non-sense and there is no reason to believe it, until something credible is presented.
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lolsweetgirl Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Student General Artist
I disagree if you do something bad of course you suffer the consequences so don't just call god out saying it was his fault because he didn't do anything wrong YOU did
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You didn't understand then.
Everything is the fault of an all powerful God, no exception.

Lets get rid of that all powerful trait.
God made us as we are.
Either he messed up and should take the blame for accidentally making us in such a way that our failure is inevitable or he intentionally built us for failure from the start.

In case one, if he doesn't take blame for his failure then he is a monster for giving punishment to his creation for his own mistake.
In case two, he is a monster for giving punishment.  He designed us to fail.  You can't punish for something that is intrinsic to the design.
"Freewill" is included as part of the design, by the way.

Aside from that, the idea that the only way to take away this intrinsic blame is by submitting to Jesus, simply does not follow.  God set the rules.  Why is Jesus needed?  Why would he require us to believe anything on blind faith?
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I think you should study God and Christianity before calling them out. Your argument needs more knowledge on the subject.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, there are many different beliefs surrounding the Bible, some that don't even believe there is a god.  I just went after one of them that happens to believe there is a god and Jesus is his son.  Also, I don't have five hundred lifetimes available to study every single possible belief about the Bible.

Please point out what is wrong with what I've said in my last comment, instead of just saying I'm ignorant of something.  You need to provide reason for your claim that my statement lacks knowledge of Christianity.  Else it really is meaningless.  Also, please specify what type of Christianity you are talking about, since there are many types that all disagree with each other.  Also, the fact there are so many different branches that themselves have branches shows there is not one truth to it.  One would expect the opposite with matter of truth.
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
"People do horrible things. God does nothing and just lets it happen. It is because God doesn't really care for us."
The answer to that based on what I studied, suffering was not part of God’s purpose for mankind. However, the first human couple rebelled against God’s rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
God is all powerful and all knowing.  He created them to rebel.  There is no way that he could not have know what was going to happen when he created them.  He wants to punish us for how he created us.

So yes the point hold because being all powerful and knowing, he knew what would happen to this world as well.  Then he blames the ones he created, says it is your fault, don't look to the all knowing, all powerful creator.  I might have given you that free will thing and even knew where it would lead because of how I created you, but really it is you that needs to be punish.  For you see I'm perfect.
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
"He created them to rebel.  There is no way that he could not have know what was going to happen when he created them.  He wants to punish us for how he created us."
Instead of accusing a god for punishing people and not caring about what is happening currently, why don't you ask a someone in person who is a Christian those points.
"So yes the point hold because being all powerful and knowing, he knew what would happen to this world as well."
If he was to know this would happen and have the option of seeing the future if he wanted to, why would he create humanity? Study Christianity more.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Omniscient means he knows the future.  Do you deny this is a property of god?  If so that makes you different than most Christians I deal with.
Do you think god is all powerful as well?  What do you believe about god?

I'm asking you and not the bible because I find pretty much every christian will disagree on the bible.  If you believe god is all powerful and all knowing then you believe in an evil dictator, no doubt.

Do you believe god set evolution in motion or that we were created as we appear today?  Different Christians struggle with this point.  Please, don't use a no true Scotsman fallacy to say others are not true Christians.  Someone who professes faith that Jesus died for them is a Christian, whatever else they may attach to the title.

If god is giving a infinite punishment for a finite crime of disbelief, then he still is an evil dictator.  If he punishes for not believeing something on blind faith (ie. no proof) he still is an evil dictator, no matter the punishment.  If he punishes because we are his flawed creation, shouldn't he also take blame for being the creator?  If he is or is not a competent designer, surely he should take full blame.  Either it was a mess up or he intentionally built us to fail.  No need for the all knowing or all powerful traits here.  The god of the bible is a monster.

By the way, I was a Christian and have read the bible cover to cover.  Not only have I studied the Bible, but I've also studied the history of the church.  I no longer found the apologetics convincing, and if I was going to be honest with myself, I was going to have to give up Christianity.  You have yet to give an argument, instead saying you don't agree with my points against one brand of Christian and that I should ask a real Christian (ie. true Scotsman).  This is not really a good way to convince someone.
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V-Cyan Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member Student
You're comment made me happier with my points of views of life.
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
God didn't create people to punish them. And God does care about mankind or we'd all be dead. And why should God dictate people? That's no better than being ruled over by the government. Also there's no evidence the world got worse after Jesus was crucified (which he chose to allow to happen to him). And don't call it all nonsense just because you don't like it.
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the-art-junky Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's non-sense because there is nothing to back it up.  If God exists, show it.  Until then it is no different then talking about how fairies feel about humans.

Now to engage in discussing what I consider non-sense!

God created the universe, correct?  This includes all angles and Satan as well.  If so he is the one who set up the laws and rules that govern the universe as well.  By creating humans as we are he set us up for failure in his system.  He offers eternal punishment for failure.  By setting us up for failure by creating us as we are and by offering eternal punishment for failure this god has set up a system in which he creates people only to punish them eternally.

Is this justice to Christians?  Is this the truth of love and hope so many of them want to spread?  Worship now or burn forever.  To me this is repugnant.  Just to make it even worse the only way to be saved by this god is to accept another mans death.  It is the only way to salvation this god will accept.  It is disgusting, but ultimately it makes Christianity little more than a very popular, old, and established cult of death.  One death that Christians claim to need.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member
So.... You have killed christianity.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014  New member
No one done anything in name of atheism, it's impossible. Atheism is de facto nothing, who's so stupid to kill someone for nothing?
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MetaKnight964 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
But atheists (particularly communists) have murdered and oppressed to usher in a godless utopia. Also most Christians that have done terrible things didn't do it for God.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member
Godless utopia? Atheism is not communism, get over it. And they did it because they WERE retarded COMMUNISTS, not atheists, and your last sentence can by apply to atheists too, although atheist never done anything for atheism (BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE), so where's sense?
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
The pleasure of it maybe. It's messed up.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  New member
Then it's for pleasure, not for atheism.
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
yeah. either way, anyone is capable of anything, despite belief
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  New member
Limits are everywhere, if i whole life dream of flying and then jump from mouintain, i will die...
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
That's a pretty good argument
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Edited Nov 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Society of the Godless, The Freedom From Religion Foundation, Joseph Stalin, and don't get me started on Atheists bullies on the Internet...
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toothlessloverlucy Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2014
It's a belief 

it doesn't make you,shape you

 we're all human beings

and just tellin ya 

i dont use my beliefs as something to fall back on nor do any atheist I know
 
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lest5000 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015   Photographer
true i agree with you
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toothlessloverlucy Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015
At least someone does
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lest5000 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015   Photographer
its hard to find...
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toothlessloverlucy Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015
Yep
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lest5000 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015   Photographer
and yah get judged for it
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toothlessloverlucy Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015
True dat
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lest5000 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015   Photographer
i hate when ppl do that
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DeltaHD Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
Lenin Doesn't count.
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Impious-Imp Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014
I've never really ever heard of anyone using their non belief as a shield though.

The communists in russia weren't doing things in the name of atheists, infact they had a sort of dogmatic association with the state, and that's sort of where it all went wrong.

I Can't point to any time in history where people went around murdering in the name of not believing on god.

Ever.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014
I keep hearing that same argument but... it's just not true.  The communist parties in those nations needed atheism because the state could not allow a force like religion to govern the lives of their people rather than the state.  It's a matter of allegiance.  There's absolutely no practical difference between that and the papacy burning "heretics" at the stake or declaring war on the Muslim world.  Absolutely none.  Any difference is purely semantic.
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member
That was stupidiest argument what i ever heard...
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Thanks for the comment. :D  Hopefully next time it's a valid one.
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Impious-Imp Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014
It was an allegiance to the state, not non belief.    You can't really pledge allegiance to a stance on a question on whether or not you believe in something.  So the communists were all about allegiance to the stat, and it was just the opposite off the same coin of facism.  Emphasis on state power.

Nobody argues that communist russia was a bad thing but atheism has less to do with it than you seem to think.  It doesn't even matter.

It doesn't excuse the shit that religion gets away with.

It's not a semantic matter either, because it's complicated.  Grey areas.

You have really black and white viewpoints.  Don't you think that's unwise?
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CrescentNubila Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014
Every human on this planet has done horrendous things and they all point fingers at each other. It will go on until humans' time is up. (Yes, people no species lasts forever.) Hopefully the new species won't be so stupid about everything.
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LordGojira Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Last time I checked... the human race has done some pretty shitty things... and quite a bit of it doesn't have to do with religion. If everyone was an atheist, then we'd just find something else to kill each other over :iconlooolplz:. As human beings, we ALWAYS find stupid reasons to start war and religion is only one of many. Sure, let's get rid of religion only to kill each other over racism :iconderpplz:.
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pastel-dogs Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i love you
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LordGojira Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Why thank you my good man :iconpatrickderpplz:.
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
When people say "you can do no wrong in the name of atheism because it's a lack of belief," that's another way of saying "I can't force my nonbeliefs on you"

Last time I checked, you can be a pain in the ass about not believing something too.


It's like how some (not all) hipsters act pretentious because they don't follow things that are popular.
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
I never understood why there's a distinction between a lack of belief and having no belief.  Atheism is the lack of belief in a god; isn't saying that atheism is the belief that there is no god just the same concept put into different words?  Therefore, wouldn't it be true to say that atheism is a belief as is any religion?  Maybe you can shed some light on that.
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
You just said a lot of what I would've said
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
A lot of people try way too hard to justify bad things that people who have joined their belief system have done.  Some Muslims do bad things in the Middle East, Atheists pretty much destroyed Asia, Catholics nearly destroyed Europe during the dark ages, Protestants, well, let's just say there are plenty of people who call themselves protestants who I'm not proud of.  Admission thereof is not an admission of guilt anymore than admitting slavery happened is an admission that white people are all racist. 

Hey, off topic, but I got a kick out of your "praise from other deviants" section.  I recognized a few names from that and frankly I had a good laugh. :D
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I've heard people say that Asia wasn't done in the name of atheism (more accurately anti-theism), but that doesn't match up with the fact that persecution against religious people happened on a large scale, and still happens even today.
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Insanity123 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nobody is denying this. This stamp doesn't need to be said.
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